$39.98 $ 39. The grip originally consisted of a wooden tube of walnut spiral wrapped with string. Done. Other peoples opinion may differ. Guarantees imply that products in question have been appraised to be an agreement with any claims made in their advertising. Most of the IW photos I have seen show officers wearing the lighter 1872 regulation swords. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Login View Cart (0) View . Fitting the leather washer that goes on the ricasso under the guard. Dad carefully punched the tang in the center. [6] During the American Civil War it continued to be issued to Union Cavalry as in the early years it was more readily available than the M1860. Create an account or login in order to post a comment. Unlike its replacement the Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber the M1840 has a ridge around its quillon, a leather grip wrapped in wire (rather than grooves cut into the wooden handle) and a flat. Hilt covered with thin real leather and wrapped with twisted brass wire. 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Also known as a "five ball" due to the balls on the guard and knucklbow. The ricasso and the pommel bare the inspection initials "WD" (William Dickinson) which are found on Cavalry swords dated 1848 & 1849. During the American Civil War, there were two types of saber issued to the Cavalry: one light and one heavy. Ok, I'll admit it. Stamped initials on the tang appeared after cleaning the blade. It has on the blade "H. Boker, Solingen Gerany. These swords came to be known as "hangars" . Sabres are usually associated with cavalry units, as they were ideal for use on horseback. Unlike its replacement the Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber the M1840 has a ridge around its quillon, a leather grip wrapped in wire (rather than grooves cut into the wooden handle) and a flat, slotted throat. #500124. In the cavalry charges of the Mexican War US Dragoons used their sabers to slash their way through enemy lines. In addition to home decoration and jewelry, Tiffany sold swords and accouterment before and after the Civil War. noworky, 9 oz), Handle length within D ring: 11 cm (4.25"). Favorable reports on the 1822 French sabers, tested by the 1st Dragoon Regiment stationed in the west was announced in July, 1840. M1860s were carried not only by cavalry but also by many infantry and staff officers. Over that was stretched and glued thin black leather. Both individuals said the saber was Civil War era. The Model 1860 was the Saber of choice for mounted Riflemen, Dragoons, and the Cavalry on both sides. Typical blade dimensions are ~35" in length and ~5-16" by ~1-1/16 in cross-section at the ricasso; length of ricasso is ~1"; stopped, broad primary fuller ~26-3/4" by ~5/8" with an unstopped secondary narrow fuller (within the primary) ~18-3/4" by ~1/16"; 34" cutting edge with ~27" backedge (including the ricasso, but excluding the But this type of thing is momentous and serious friends. All rights reserved. -Model 1860 Ames manufactured cavalry saber, 1863 datedA.D.K. It was 41in long with a 35in by 1in blade . Based on the Word Net lexical database for the English Language. The second punch mark is not decipherable. The 1860 grip is longer and has a bulge in the middle. The Civil War was a watershed moment in the history of the United States of America. according to the below reference they were not marked with US anywhere. Google the M1822 and you can see some pics. noworky Member 716 By the way, what is known about Legendary Arms? I did a review comparing the two here on SBG in the past. Free shipping for many products! I am guessing that an 1840 officers model would have been bought NLT the first year or two of the war? All items are sold for display purposes. More than that however, it was cool to do a project with my father. The S&K has no US markings that I can find. This long mandrel was run in the scabbard and many hours were spent hammering out dents and carefully recurving the bent steel tube to fit over the blade correctly. M1860 CAVALRY SABER BY D.J. Does anyone else out there offer the 1840? Years of use and rust and dirt had obscured the tang. Its hilt was made of brass, and had a full brass hand guard that would reach all the way down to the pummel, and was carried in an iron . The obvious difference in coloring on the underside of the guard relative to the rest of the brass shows clearly the sword was stored in the scabbard . I charge $10 to search, non-refundable. Early fire blued blade, with ivory grip. The overall size and shape are the same. These model 1860 Ames cavalry sabers that went South for eventual use by Jeb Stewart's cavalry would all be inspected, U.S. stamped and dated 1860. The Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber was the replacement for the Model 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber. (Right) M1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber scabbard mount marked with the letter "D.". The 1840 saber was used during the MexicanAmerican War by US Cavalry. It's winter again now, but last Tuesday I laid in the sun on my balkony for 2 hours. Praeterea oportet esse harioli. thanks for a great sword. I too and a life long Civil War buff and have read and studied much on it. You are not trying to get the bargain of the century. Is your sword an officer style sword or a plain enlisted style Cavalry sabre? The U.S. Model 1840 light artillery saber has a brass hilt and knuckle-bow of about 6 inches in length, the grip wrapped in leather and bound with brass wire, and a blade of 32.25 inches in length. It's a really great sword! The 1860 would go on to be the sword of the US Cavalry until 1913. In reference to what, exactly? Iron is sort-of the Paris Hilton of metals, and carbon, nickel, chromium silicon, etc. $319.99. The most widely known of these was Schuyler, Hartley and Graham in New York. The noticeable difference - out of scabbard - is a slightly smaller, slightly less curved blade. Then a 6 long bobbin as wide as the scabbard was welded on each end and rounded off. 1840 Heavy Cavalry Sabers for sale are 41 inches in all. Sword only weight: approx. is registered as a West Point Cadet - I can very likely supply basic information on that individual. Yes I know, wishful thinking. Heavy Cavalry Saber, dubiously named. The designations Heavy and Light do not necessarily refer to the weight of the sword; they do, in fact, refer to the "shock" impact delivered during a "charge". The hand-forged blade of the M-1860 Light Cavalry Saber is British military spec steel that will flex over 20 and return to true. Antique Style 1860 Light Cavalry Saber Carbon Steel Sword Union US. The Model 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber was heavier and longer then the Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber. In this way the grip and hilt are locked on the blade. $65.00 + $22.84 shipping. Help for new folks. They produced weapons such as knives, bayonets . Regardless of how old we are, we never stop learning. George B. McClellan carried one at the front,[8] Many were also used by the Confederacy including General Nathan Bedford Forrest who had both edges of his sword sharpened to increase combat effectiveness. If a record is found, I will forward that information on to you via e-mail; if no record is found, I will e-mail you to that effect. The Model 1840 Cavalry Saber was based on the 1822 French hussar's sabre. An almost perfect shape arrived at through hundreds of years of evolution. In this type of job you will test fit the assembly many times. The leather is glued over this form. However, at least one (Jim Dear collection) is known with the date only. The letters W S in a lozenge comprise the larger of the stampings. I thought storms in Germany came from Italy? I'm really looking forward to the full post. What tales of late winter have you to tell? It was/is so good that it has, how shall I say, carved out a place for itself in the age of the gun. The Model 1840 Cavalry Saber was based on the French hussar's saber. Compartilhar isto. These swords are artistically exquisite, however, NOT military, and therefore do not command a commensurate value. Are they any good? Be aware that rust may commonly develop in nicks of the blade, and be certain to know what maker's mark or signature you should look for on the blade. Were rooting for you. $89.99 $ 89. The grip is the where the user interfaces with the sword to use the horrible lingo of the computer age. Ready to disassemble the hilt. Windlass Steelcrafts 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber. Deluxe Model 1840 Cavalry Saber Sword $134.99$77.99 Overall Length: 40 Blade Length: 32-1/2 Blade Material: Carbon Steel Scabbard: Polished Steel Handle Material: Your Choice of Black Leather OR Wood grip twisted wire wrap with Gold Finish Metal Replica of the M1840 ( Model 1840 ) USA Army Cavalry Saber Sword Handle Material But remember, do your research and be patient and careful in your work. Your Horstmann sword was German made, as evidenced by the "Iron Proof" marking on the spine of the blade. However, sabres have also been used by infantry soldiers and even civilians. This is a nice MODEL 1840 CAVALRY SABER. Lot consists of: (A) US Model 1840 "Wristbreaker" cavalry saber in standard configuration with curved, single fullered blade. Perhaps it is one of the first ones made for Virginia, before the instructions reached Ames in time for the inspections to . He was quoted verbatim in military articles and books again and again. But you can only do it once. Sarge and all who commented thank you very much for the information. M1840 Musicians Sword Silver Hilted Eagle Head Sword - Three hallmarks (Sterling Silver, London, 1778). This trend continues when the 1860 models of cutlass and cavalry saber are introduced. Welcome Guest. Everything is dirty but in good shape otherwise. I spun the wire using a hand cranked drill and made the final wrapping. The swords are graded in rarity on a scale of 1 to 10. When I was a kid we made swords out of scrap steel for our early welding practice. It would have to be drilled out to disassemble again. It is certainly possible that a still serving officer would retain his Civil War sword and continue to carry it after 1872. Classroom is the educational resource for people of all ages. MODEL 1840 CAVALRY SABER. MILLARD, DATED 1862 - SCABBARD WITH SOUTH CAROLINA MARKS Produced under the smallest government contract for sabers (10,000) by the D. J. Millard Company's manufacturing center in Clayville, New York, this early production weapon is a M-1860 Light Cavalry (172-5569). They are recognizable by their steel hand guards. Southern and Northern forces were issued with a variety of swords depending on their fighting style; cavalrymen, infantry, artillerymen, marines and officers, all had distinct weapons - knives, swords and sabres. are a bunch of good looking guys she just met at a party. CopyrightAmerican Swords, LLC. The 1860 saber received its name to distinguish it from the larger and heavier Model 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber that it replaced. Great post Mr. Kelly. (Please note this section is not yet complete and not all models are yet represented). I shudder to think of how many fine old Winchesters or Colts I have seen that were tortured on the polishing wheel and cold blued following brutally misguided restoration articles in the gun magazines of the 1950s and 60s. On the Picket Line. Some people who buy Civil War swords make just this mistake. Create a Show & TellReport as inappropriate. Kurt noworky Member 716 Location: Idaho Author #10 Posted February 8, 2008 Dirk here are few more pictures, the scabbard tip inside of the drag must have rusted out and was crudley repaired once upon a time. I know very little about sabers but do have some reference material on the way. CopyrightAmerican Swords, LLC. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for CIVIL WAR model 1840 cavalry SWORD BLADE only Sword Parts US union Army at the best online prices at eBay! James Withers has authored in excess of 200 articles on eHow, expanding on journalistic experience acquired as a commentator for the newspaper of the University of Texas at Arlington. Over 222,000 Model 1860s were manufactured under U.S. government contract before and during the Civil War, plus many swords in this style were produced without government contract. By continuing to use this site, you accept our use of cookies. Cold Steel Training Saber (Without Scabbard) Stuart. It also has the "Light Cavalry" style swelled grip of the so-called 1860 pattern sabre (that began manufacture in 1859) instead of the flatter 1840 style grip. Co., blade dated 1863, no scabbard. Some troopers used Prussian sabers as an alternative, which in contrast to the M1840 had straight blades.[7]. Withers holds a Bachelor of Arts in English from the University of Texas at Arlington. 2014-2022, 1832-1840 Through The Mexican War Period To 1850, Revolutionary Period Silver Eagle Head Short sword, M1850 Horstmann High Grade Foot Officer Presentation Sword, Custom 1850 Foot/Artillery Officer's Sword, M1860 Presentation Cavalry Officers Saber, Widmann 1832/1834 General Officer's Sword, 1840 Non-Commissioned Officer Attributed to Widmann. Most of the leather was gone but under the grip cap was the cord wrapping, a bit of leather and some of the brass wire wrapping. 4.2 out of 5 stars 33. A Naval bayonet manufactured by Ames. Quickview. I cleaned and glued where it was cracked, but it was not sanded. Above examples a variety of early revolutionary period swords and hangars. Search for a dealer who has developed a long-standing reputation in his community. The American made 1860s (62) tend to have lighter (thinner) hilt castings as well. Here is an example of a US regulation light cavalry sabre made by Ames in 1906. Civil War 1840 Cavalry . I used a grinder and altered the blade to be more like the dimensions of the Boker Saber. Thank you for the close ups!.Kurt's far better at ID'ing then I am so take his lead on this.I think the scabbard looks European alsoexamples in the book quoted above showed thinner rings and ring mounts on the scabbardI guess Horstmann imported a variety of scabbard styles to go with this type of sword. wonderful sword! Powered by Invision Community, Dissatisfaction with the M1833 Dragoon saber was raised by several dragoon officers, so on December 24, 1838, the Ordnance Department was instructed to purchase British, French, and Prussian sabers for field-testing. Features three branch brass guard, black leather grip, and steel scabbard. 1860 vs 1840 Saber. Find a Trustworthy Dealer/Appraiser. It is 44" long with a 35" blade and weighs roughly 2.5 lbs. bore condition, and other similar differences that are inherent in the antiques and collectible industry. The wood of the grip has been soaked in oil and then wrapped with string soaked on glue. Observe Authentic Swords Firsthand in Military Museums. History. It was replaced by the Model 1872 "Light" Cavalry Saber. I am watching this with great interest. . J.E.B. But that said, a kid who is a sword nut is not popular in school. 1162 g (2 lb. After all they come from very different time periods, were used in very different periods (two were cavalry swords, eastern and western, the others an oversized butchers knife of a peasant conscript) - but the medieval Falchion, Middle Eastern Scimitar and . (aka "1859 New Pattern"). 2014-2022, Cavalry trooper with M1840 Heavy Cavalry Sword and Colt M1860 Army Revolver, (Right) M1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber scabbard mount marked with the letter "D, M1850 Horstmann High Grade Foot Officer Presentation Sword, Custom 1850 Foot/Artillery Officer's Sword, M1860 Presentation Cavalry Officers Saber, Widmann 1832/1834 General Officer's Sword, 1840 Non-Commissioned Officer Attributed to Widmann. Quickview. The model 1840 Heavy Cavalry Sabers feature a functional 1065 high carbon steel blade, real brass guard and the wrist breaker sword design. Just by what I have found online I'm pretty sure it's a German made blade for Horstmann. Overall length of 41-1/4 inches. This sword was used in the US from 1840 through the Mexican War, the Civil War, and finally the Plains Indian Wars of the 1870's and 1880's. The sword was not loved by the Cavalry . So there you have it. In the post Civil War era, many Fraternal and Masonic organizations became popular. check out the. The track of the original spiral string wrapping was very clear. United States Army Cavalry Saber Swords and more. Merry Christmas to me. Furthermore, when you see a Civil War sword, you should remember that it was probably used in battle. Jerry Blanchard punches the center point on the tang. - Al Massey. $229.95. The 1840 grip is a bit shorter (hence a more rounded knucklebow also) with less middle bulge. Since this sword remained regulation until the sword trials after the turn of the century, even the (then) newly made iron hilt Ames 1906 swords were of this pattern. Unlike its replacement, the Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber, the M1840 has a ridge around its quillon, a leather grip wrapped in wire (rather than grooves cut into the wooden handle) and a flat, slotted throat.It is 44 inches (110 cm) long with a 35-inch (89 cm) blade and weighs roughly 2.5 pounds (1.1 kg). I have various information on West Point Cadets - graduates and non-graduates - from 1802 to 2002. (James W. Reilly) also appear on the pommel along with athird set, W.C.K.. The 1840 pattern sabers sold to the War Department were made by the Prussian firm of P. D. Luneschoss. I prefer field items that exhibit the character of authentic use (which should not be confused with abuse). Ive compared the hilts of the 1860 (Left) 1840 (right) in the last photo. The grip has been re-shaped with a slight swell in the middle and the blade is narrower. If you cannot purchase a guarantee when you purchase your sword, then you should search for a new market from which to acquire items for your collection. The blade has a smooth, chocolate patina and is marked, "Mansfield & Lamb - US - 1864". General Discussion. There is obviously CONDITION, MAKER, GRADE, and the individuality of certain pieces, which would alter rarity and value. As with this one, evidence of period sharpening can be seen on the forward section of the blade towards the point. I dunno. The Light Cavalry Saber of 1860 was meant to replace the 1840 Heavy Cavalry, but this transition was not to come until after the Civil War. A long gentle sweeping curve blade with a short 1.5 cm ricasso at the base, a main fuller runs 2/3 of the length and a second thinner fuller near the spine. Jeb Stuart liked the M1840 and got as many as he could for his calvary. That wasn't a joke, the warm weather last week was indeed warm air from the Sahara with some Sahara sand/dust. It was in a sorry looking state. The most noticeable difference - in scabbard - between the 1840 and 1860 is the shape of the grip. This can use some more editing, but it is well enough complete to delete the "under construction" sign. Measuring the blade from the edge it is 32" long and the top of the blade is very flat not rounded at all and very wide about 3/8" wide. The Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber (also known as the M1862 as this was when the first 800 were issued) is a long sword made of steel and brass, used by US cavalry from the American Civil War until the end of the Indian wars; some were still in use during the Spanish-American War. 5 5 6 M1860 Cavalry Saber Note the belly in the grip as opposed to the 1840. I prefer to let things have their history. It had really good bones. See disclaimer. The blade is marked P.D.L on one side of the ricasso (the part of the blade in front of the guard) and and Tiffany & Co. The biggest difference in the originals is blade width/curve and grip shape. The Forum. Premium Edition. Ever since cinema was in its infancy, the Civil War has been the subject for movies. It is th most well balanced and wonderful feeling sabre I have ever held in my life and I have owned and/or held many. The primary difference between the "short blade" sabers was the presence or lack of etching. This needs to be filed to size. SS5026 MOUNTED ARTILLERY OFFICER'S SABER, 1830-1840. Roman Cavalry Sword AH-4208. Our Price: $99.95 Compare. The string and brass wire were easy but the leather was tricky. The light version was popular, but the heavy model, affectionately dubbed the Old Wrist Breaker was considered by many to be the one to carry into battle! I think you need a Zorro sword to go with it. And etched on the side is W H HORSTMANN & SONS PHILADELPHIA. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. I aquired this saber and was told it was an officer's 1840 Cavalry saber. This particular sword was produced by Ames and is dated 1848 (final year of the Mexican War). Designed after the 1840 heavy cavalry sabre, this sword was made slightly smaller and lighter to make it easier to wield. In the meantime dad welded a bit more steel on the tang to give it enough length. Modern-era Swords and Collecting Community. There was even some of the string that was wound under the leather. Lyon with his troops entering Springfield. Union Cavalry under Brigadier General John Buford help changed the course of American history by holding the high ground against superior force, LK Chen and Guest test US 1860 cavalry saber, Ming Yanling Dao and Han cavalry Dao. $199.95. The saber is in standard M1840 configuration, with a 34 - 1/4" curved blade a While we don't exactly depend on these romanticized visions of history for their authenticity, we have been influenced by the way they have portrayed events. CSA 1860 Light Cavalry Army Saber Civil War Confederate Officer Sword CH. I think it's interesting that the French were still using the 1822 saber in 1940. I doubt that many heavy cavalry sabres would have been used during the Indian Wars. What do you saber experts out there think? As you noted the blade on the 1840 is substantially larger than the 1860. My Wife's GGGF rode with his toops. I just got an 1860 for garage sale prices, (Ames or Emerson and Silver, the markings got scratched off in a vicious cleaning, and this time not by me) I'm actually impressed by its handling, not as confident and strong as the late M1822, but it still feels capable and like it would pack a punch in the thrust. Like its predecessor M1840 it had a brass guard, leather-wrapped grip and steel scabbard but unlike the M1840 it was smaller and easier to handle. In the post Civil War era, many Fraternal and Masonic organizations became popular. Whether youre studying times tables or applying to college, Classroom has the answers. Sword Identification Page. Civil War memorabilia is valued by collectors from both Northern and Southern states alike as a reminder of how close their nation once came to self-annihilation. It is a huge long blade meant to wear on a horse. For the well heeled there was Tiffany. There were many variaitions made. Model 1850 Union Staff & Field Officer's Sword. High-ranking officers, often had their swords ornately engraved with gilding and foliage. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. or 4 interest-free payments of $57.49 with. Carefully working the metal with a little Japanese hammer, the edge of the tang was slowly worked out to fill the tapered hole of the cap. Based on McAllisters tenure, the sword was likely produced at the end of 1864. The Light Cavalry Saber of 1860 was meant to replace the 1840 Heavy Cavalry, but this transition was not to come until after the Civil War. This saber features a blade that is made of 1065 high carbon steel. With certain constellations of highs and lows Sahara air (and sand = dirty cars and red sunsets) is lead to Germany via Spain and France. Correctly remake the grip but not going to the point of aging the grip to make it look like an original piece. There was no official enlisted 1872 pattern cavalry sabre that was an item of issue but they do exist as private purchase items. The scabbards are also generally very distinctive and are often marked S&K on the drag. It was in bad shape and falling apart, so there was the desire to stabilize. inspected for Andrew D. King ---Armory Sub-Inspector. )but blade is very rusted and it was missing the guard and handle which I replaced with a replica. Nice! Rather, proceed with caution. This CONFEDERATE UNMARKED CAVALRY SABER. We finished by remaking the little leather pad that slips on the blade like a washer and rests around the ricasso just below the guard. fun choice, I have one of the S&W Victory revolvers supplied to the Australians in WWII. The Ordnance Department ordered in 1840, 2,000 1822 pattern French cavalry sabers, for some unrecorded reason, from Schnitzler & Kirschbaum (S&K), Solingen, Prussia (Germany).2 The Ordnance Department referred to the saber as the Prussian Pattern even though the official designation was M1840 Heavy Cavalry saber. Follow this link to request a A sabre is a type of sword that features a curved blade, typically with a single edge. Our Price: $55.00 Compare. This is opinion. Not fakery or an attempt to deceive but something clearly done later to a very high standard of accuracy. Troopers in the field were unhappy with the model 1840 commonly referred to as the "old wrist breaker" they wanted a lighter and more maneuverable Saber. We did some final file work and, after cutting the tang to the required length, peened the whole thing together nice and tight. The spine also tended to be rounded as opposed to the flat back of the M1840. This is my best marked piece. (Courtesy of the Don Furr Collection). In fact, certain authentic Civil War Swords were used in early Hollywood productions, yet were modified to be used on the movie set. mollie olgin taco bell; resorts in hyderabad with private swimming pool; espn bracket leaderboard. target coffee cups with lids. Don't make the same mistake. $249.99. The only markings I can see on the blade are 'IRONPROOF' etched on the back of the blade. When production ceased in 1858 over 23,700 had been made. . Often these Schnitzler u. Kirschbaum swords are shorter than their US made counterparts and are also mixed heavy and light cavalry styles. If there is a name on your sword - and that name Thread: Differences 'tween U.S. 1840 Hvy Cav Sabre and U.S. 1860 Lt. Cav Sabre? They are recognizable by their steel hand guards. Some collectors find this detracts from the sword and lowers the value. Chrisnp. Often these Schnitzler u. Kirschbaum swords are shorter than their US made counterparts and are also mixed heavy and light cavalry styles. false-edge which is ~8" in length). Our Price: $64.95 Compare. 4.3 out of 5 stars 204. Out of 1/4 flat cold rolled he cut a piece that mirrored the shape of the blade. Sign up for a new account in our community. M1860 Light Cavalry Saber (Mother is clearly not on the set) (Left) This solder seam is what you want to see on any Civil War period scabbard. They looked at first like inspectors cartouches. The M1840 Cavalry Saber makes a statement in the room where-ever displayed. Cavalry trooper with M1840 Heavy Cavalry Sword and Colt M1860 Army Revolver. Disreputable weapons dealers tend to go out of business quickly. (Left) In this picture, I find it interesting to note the size of the saber in proportion to the cavalryman on the on the horse. But after getting it home and going over it this looked like a gem in-the-rough. 3022: LOT OF 3: U.S. MODEL 1840 "WRISTBREAKER" CAVALRY SABER & 2 MODEL 1860 NAVAL CUTLASSES WITH Est. Perfectly good shooters in most cases but without their historical identity. The Model 1860 is another derivation from French patterns and again, there are many variations (mainly imports). I doubt if it was ever thrown away and hope someone just put it in a drawer. The blade of the M1840 is also broader than its M1860 successor. The new model 1860 Saber as the Ordnance Department response. 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